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So, I've got a real rant prepared for this evening's edition of WTF?

I've had an interesting week and a half and have taken the time to contemplate the events that occurred and am now ready to share in a semi-calm fashion, that which has irritated, frustrated and pissed me off to no end. So, strap in and prepare for one hell of a bitch-fest!

First, let me say that I will be naming names and making accusations and will be making sweeping generalizations. And I won't be apologizing for any of it! 

So, here's the what. I was contacted about a month ago by a newbie *shudders* who claims that she used (stole) my clips without knowing it was wrong til it was pointed out by her beta. She sent me the vid and asked for permission to post it with proper credit given. Now, upon viewing it I noticed two clips that had my stamp on it (literally, I insert a corner card on almost all of my vids) and thought, 'okay, she's new, didn't know, and came to me about it'. I gave her my permission to post the vid.

 

Anyway, a month goes by and I A) notice the vid up for an award and B) no credit had been posted on her site. So, I tell/ask her to disqualify that vid because it's not completly hers and ask about the cred. She is all nice and polite and says she's been busy and of course she will disqualify it (she didn't know she was nom'd) because she vids for fun, not awards.

 

So, out of curiousity, I watch the vid again (because on Kawoosh! she does cred me for 2 clips). Well, I rewatch this vid and surprise, surprise! Upon closer inspection I notice not 2, not 3 but 9 clips that are, in fact, mine. These segments are all edited clips, not unedited source files and tally in at a whopping 1 min 7 secs of my vids 'These are the times' & 'I miss you a little' in her 3min 54 sec video. So, aprox. 1/3 of this video is my editing. All these scenes have been cropped so that the lower right corner where my corner card used to be is now non-existant. Don't tell me she didn't know what she was doing. 

 

I write this little *edited* and mention that there are more than 2 of my clips in her vid and request proper credit. She of course tells me that no, there are only two. But if I think there are more, then fine, but she honestly only took two. ?How can you honestly steal anything?

 

So, anyway, two days go by and I hear nothing so I write the awards team informing them I want that vid, and only that vid removed. They are currently considering banning this vidder. Then I get this pissy email from this vidder about telling everyone she's a nasty little clip stealer and how she's disappointed in the SG community and whatever. Then a friend points me to the Kawoosh! forum and a post by the brat that is oh so sincere and paints such a pretty picture of the events and she says how she LOVES my work and never wanted to offend. Blah! If she had responded to me with less defensiveness and more sincerety I might not have been so fired up in the first place. Every email from her was one excuse after another. She would apologize and then immediately claim she wasn't at fault because she was new. *Punching bag, please*

 

So, this brings me to the second half of my bitch-fest. Directly after this exciting drama, I discover that some of my Supernatural clips from my video 'Time of dying' now existed in a poorly edited, video "created" by johnnysbiotch. And this "vidder" didn't even have the knowledge or foresight to crop my corner card out of the scenes. I still haven't received a response to my email or comment. But this all just burns my ass.

 

Where the hell do these people get off stealing clips and then acting like it's not a big deal because they didn't take transitions or the clip was only 5 seconds long? Length and transition matter not a damn bit. Just because you can't see the hours of editing work that goes into a scene doesn't mean it isn't there! I am so sick of hearing 'I didn't know the rule' or 'I'm a newbie' or 'I didn't have the clips I needed, what else was I supposed to do'. Ah, how about wait like everyone else until you can make the vid your GD self! Who doesn't know that stealing is bad? Raise your hand if you were never told in kindergarten that stealing is wrong. Anyone? Didn't think so. So why the hell would taking someone else's artistic expression be socially exceptable? And why should these rules be broken or bent for someone just because they are new to vidding?

 

*Side rant* I am also sick to death of newbies whining that they don't get feedback. 'Give me feedback or I'll quit and be gone forever and it'll be all your fault 'cause you're mean'. That is damn close to some of the posts I've read from newbies over at Kawoosh!. I am so sick to death of it. We all want feedback. Good or bad. Me personally, enjoy the critical posts the best because I learn something. This is where I come full circle to my origional rant. Newbies don't appear to want to learn. They want instant gratification. Love me, NOW! Praise me, NOW! Envy my mad-skills, NOW! Again, I say, WTF?

 

This is why they take clips. Instead of learning how to create a look, a feel, a personal style-they take. Instead of thinking, working, learning-they take. They bypass the process and churn out one shitty vid after another and other vidders *praise* them because they're new and trying. Bullshit. Completing 4 videos a week is not trying. It's assemble, post. Assemble, post. Recieve lies and feel heart warm. Receive truth and disregard and continue with assemble, post, lies. I don't think it's a bad thing to say to a vidder that clips 1:02-2:56 were poorly thought out, too long and out of context in relation to the lyrics and musical style of the song choice. What is bad is watching a vid that makes you cringe, sigh, or raise your eyes to the sky and proclaim 'Dear God, not another long-winded, poorly edited, sappy, totally unbelievable S/J that uses all the same clips in the same context as the last trillion videos posted' and then reply to the vidder that 'You liked it.' Where the hell is the lesson in that?

 

You don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, fine. Don't reply. Watch and leave. You want to eventually view excellent videos that make you go wow and loop your media player for 2 hours? Be honest.

 

I think newbies need it. Maybe if they started learning something about vidding, they would take some pride in their work instead of taking other people's pride and hard-work.

 

Here endeth the rant.

 

For now.

Comments

Oy, that completely takes the piss. Who is this n00b stealing your clips? I'm going to hunt them down on the forum and send them bad vidding vibes. Y'know, I genuinely thought clip theft doesn't really go on anymore. Maybe I'm just so out of the vidding loop... or just naive! I'm thinking of posting some sort of CLIP THEFT IS WRONG speech on the forum or over on [info]the_kawoosher, y'know, as a friendly reminder.

And omg, your side-note? I totally agree. But I never really say it out loud because I own the damn forum! *lol* I can't stand people saying "OMG I haven't received any feedback! Other people have received loads of replies! I know people are watching my video 'cos it says I have xxx views." - GAAAH. I also get miffed when I receive U2U from n00bs saying "You said you were gonna review every video that was posted and you haven't reviewed my yet". *HEADDESK* I have better things to do than watch your pitiful piece of work and then try to tell you how crap it is in the nicest possible way!

Oy.

"Completing 4 videos a week is not trying."

So true. I have my favourite vidders out there, most of them don't churn out a video in months. But when they do, damn, it's frickin' awesome! In general, I tend to see vidders that can do a video a day (or so) make really crappy vids. That is a real generalisation though, and putting it quite bluntly.

Y'know, I'm glad you had this rant and it's not only me thinking these things. I could go on forever but now I'm getting paranoid some n00b from the forum'll read my comment and launch some sort of anti-Gater or anti-Kawoosh! movement.

P.S.
MediaHub is still in the works! Honest! 0:D
I could go on forever but now I'm getting paranoid some n00b from the forum'll read my comment and launch some sort of anti-Gater or anti-Kawoosh! movement.

I think they would be in for a world of hurt if they tried. You are much loved by one and all and any attacking party would be torn assunder by masses coming to your defense.

That said, there have been so many times that I've bitten my lip, hovered over my keyboard thinking of what to say that won't be jumped on by other vidders in defense of whatever I'm reviewing. I want to be honest and yet I feel that if I am I'll be branded a flamer. I don't know when honest feedback became flaming, because I thought to flame you had to attack the vidder and video in a personal fashion. Leaving critical feedback saying 'The vid didn't work for me because of points a, b and c' I feel like you might want to take a little more time on your next video and really think about what you wanted to say because this vid sort of didn't say anything' isn't the most horrible thing in the world. But of course, you can't say that because then 'you're just a meanie! And you're not the best vidder in the world so who are you to say my video isn't good?' These are typical responses. I love when people ask for critical feedback and then get their back up when they receive it!

I've got to go now. I've got 'banging my head against desk' scheduled for 1:30 and I'm already falling behind.
Sorry but, they actually message you to demand to know why you haven't given them feedback?! *headesk*

This fandom is really bugging me today!
I couldn't not say something, even lil support to all you're saying, cause I agree. Clip theft just gets on my nerves (along with youtube posting without crediting or even asking permission to post the vid, but other trouble). And if there's one thing that exists among respectful vidders is helping each other in case one misses one or two clips *from time to time*

As for being a newbie who doesnt rip (yet), I've been there a bit more than a year ago, for my first vid. And I didn't find it difficult to ask every vidder if it was okay I used their clip, before I ever posted it. Some said no and here I started ripping (which I've been always doing since). So for me respect and asking for permission, and *cough* honesty (if people still know what it means) seems natural and great to me.

I hope that what I said is clear. Anyway, even if it doesnt change what happened, I had to comment on this.
Seriously, people just seem to think that because we take the clips from MGM that it must be okay to take them from vidders. Well, the difference here is that nobody thinks that I wrote, produced, directed and casted SG-1! It is clear that those clips belong to someone else and out of love for their work, we vid. Now, what I do to those vids, the hours of manipulation, color editing, timing, inverting, fading, ect, does in fact, belong to me. That is my work, time-spent, creative expression and it is not posted online for some greedy, grubby-handed, lazy brat to steal and claim as their own.

There needs to be some consequences for these socially, inept theives that steal what they can then, claim ignorance when they're finally caught. We need to be less politically correct and more honest about what is and what isn't acceptable. I really don't care if feelings get hurt in the process as long as the point is made. Especially when there are so many resources for vidders of any level. Stealing should never be an option and if it is, those people really need to re-examine their ethical code. Something isn't less of a crime just because we don't know each other face to face. Wrong is wrong, whether you're neighbors, family or members of an online community.
You know, it just kills me that they think they won't get caught. And then they deny it after they are. Like I can't recognize my own work! I really, really dislike 95% of the population as it is, now I feel like the fandom is starting to crawl with *those* people who make me stutter incoherantly in a mad-frothing rage.

The online community has been a refuge for me the last few years from all the stupidity that surrounds me in the *real world*. Now it seems like the spoiled, over-indulged idiots I've been avoiding have oozed into my little sanctuary.

My last resort is a wool blanket and a nice, quiet bridge where I can live out the rest of my days in peace and solitude. I don't mind rodents sniffing around and stealing my rotten goods, at least *rats* steal to survive.
I still think of myself as a newbie (I had my one year vid-aversary sometime in February :DDD), and can't for the life of me understand how people think they can take clips and not think of it as stealing in some way. And then pass off their bad behavior under the "I'm new, I didn't know, excuse". Bull. Shit. I've been a fan of vids since 2002 and I've known since the early days of being a fan of vids that clip theft is NOT ok. I probably figured that out relatively fast. In fact, it's one of the ten commandments of vidding, methinks. It's in nearly everly "tips for newbies" primer out there. Thou Shalt Not Commit Clip Theft.

And still, these people act like this.

I have to admit though, I wish more people would comment on my vids. Good or bad. Because I know there are significantly more downloads of my vids than comments left. Unless someone keeps downloading the same vid over and over because the delete it or have a lot of computers or something. Heh. I think that aspect is frustrating. People downloading and watching a vid and not leaving *any* feedback.

And while established, awesome vidders have thoroughly earned their status (over and over again), I sometimes feel the vidding community can be a little deadlocked in regards to to paying attention to new vidder/nurturing honest new vidders who really do want to improve and become competent vidders to an extent. I wish they still did that "new to me" vidding thing they did a few years ago. I would like to see more variety sometimes. Because there are so many awesome vids out there. I wish sometimes the awesome vids which got overlooked or neglected because they're a little in the shadow of other talent would get more recognition, basically.

I don't believe myself to be in this category, mind. I think I have a long ways to go before I have a solid sense of my style as a vidder, or have earned some of that. But I'm happy to be along for the ride right now and learning.

Edited at 2009-03-12 03:12 pm (UTC)
When I think of newbies, I think of those people who come into the fandom blind. And I shudder when their only knowledge comes from places like Youtube where there is no real sense of community. I have been a fan of vids since 98', back during my X-File obsession, and it was fairly obvious that taking others vids or pieces of was a hanging offense.

I have a zero tolerance policy for thieves and liars and the 'I didn't know' excuse doesn't work on me at all.

Regarding feedback, unless I really like a vid, I don't generally leave feedback. If a post asks for concrit then I may drop a line but, generally, people aren't asking for concrit and don't receive it well. Outside of Vid Critics, I feel like I have to leave glowing, love letters for vids I comment on.

I've been actively vidding since 2004, yet I feel very new still. I am in no way established. I get very excited when I recieve more then two responses to my vids. When I post, it's hit or miss. Sometimes they're viewed, mostly their overlooked. It's extremely frustrating. My name isn't a draw, and probably never will be, but I try to pick songs and themes that are interesting. Maybe they're only interesting to me. lol

I like the idea of seeking out and pimping new talent. That may be something I try to do more often. It's hard though. With so many excellent vids out there by recognizable vidders it's hard to make yourself seek out talent that is unproven.

I believe that you are fast on your way to becoming a highly recognizable vidder. I've seen some of your work and you have a firm grasp on editing technique and you keep pushing yourself to learn and do more. You also have strong narrative structure which is something I lack entirely.
I would like ANY feedback. Even the not so substantive feedback is something, in my mind: ie, I did something right, otherwise someone wouldn't be squeeing at me (at least, that's my theory). I think it's just good manners to leave a comment, if you watch or download a vid.

It's hard though. With so many excellent vids out there by recognizable vidders it's hard to make yourself seek out talent that is unproven.

I seriously disagree. There are so many great vidders out there who are being ignored because they are "unproven". But that's not necessarily so. People are just busy overlooking them for vidders who are more readily recognizable. But that's just me.

It's very nice of you to think so re: my vidding. I really just hope people enjoy what I put out there and it wasn't a total waste of whatevermanyminutes for them. That they got a story out of it and something out of it.

By the by . . . did you get the message I sent via lj earlier? I hope that lj didn't eat it. I can re-send it if it did. In fact, I can do that now . . .